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Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg
Sunday 4 October 2026 · 09:00 BST · 1h · 4 stories · 15 annotated moments · 52 of 60 min on news stories (87%)
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Kemi Badenoch appeared ahead of the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham, saying she is a classic old school conservative who believes in common sense and rewarding hard work. She promised to scrap the rule that stops the highest earners getting free childcare in England, saying it did not matter what someone earned and that people should not be punished for working harder, while being questioned about whether someone earning a million pounds would receive it. She defended keeping the triple lock, said people were cheating the benefits system and cited increases in disability claimants and self-reported disability, though she did not have an exact figure; the programme later said her team cited nearly £10 billion paid out fraudulently or in error and nearly 7% of universal credit claims as fraudulent. She also discussed plans for 50,000 extra prison places and said an ex-IRA member had pleaded guilty to threatening to kill her and her family.
Justice Secretary Alex Norris was interviewed about the early release of about 700 prisoners because jails were full. He said the country remained safe and that those released were under strong licence conditions, with a presumption of tagging and £700 million more for probation, but he did not have a figure for how many of the 700 had been tagged and acknowledged past failures in tagging. He defended the government's prison-building programme of 14,000 places and said the courts backlog would start falling in this parliament as he set out reforms, including dropping the previous plan for judge-only trials while keeping most jury trials.
The broadcast then examined threats against politicians. Katie Amess, whose father Sir David Amess was murdered nearly five years ago, said she was campaigning for a full public inquiry and questioned whether MPs were safer, noting the killing of Anne Widdecombe in July and that her father's killer had been known to Prevent. Reform deputy leader Richard Tice said extra taxpayers' money may be needed to protect politicians, criticised Kemi Badenoch's prison-building target as unrealistic, said Reform had started policies the Conservatives were copying, and said an independent investigation into allegations about the party's finances was ongoing and would conclude in due course.
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Claim Kemi Badenoch plans to scrap £100,000 free childcare cap as Tory conference opens
A YouGov poll found that 59% of voters still did not think the Conservatives would form a successful government.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 3:47-3:54
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Claim Kemi Badenoch plans to scrap £100,000 free childcare cap as Tory conference opens
Kemi Badenoch said she would scrap the cap on free childcare so families with someone earning over £100,000 a year can get it.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 5:25-5:32
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Contested quote Kemi Badenoch plans to scrap £100,000 free childcare cap as Tory conference opens
It's the right thing to do. But at a time when a lot of people are genuinely worried about putting food on the table, about paying their energy bills, why is it the right thing to say to someone earning a million pounds a year that they can have free childcare paid for by ordinary taxpayers? Well, this cliff edge is at 100,000.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 7:57-8:12
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Claim Kemi Badenoch plans to scrap £100,000 free childcare cap as Tory conference opens
Kemi Badenoch said she would scrap the cap on free childcare so families with someone earning over £100,000 a year can get it.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 8:16-8:26
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Claim Kemi Badenoch plans to scrap £100,000 free childcare cap as Tory conference opens
The childcare policy was estimated to cost £700m and was criticised for spending money that could instead help poorer families access childcare.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 9:46-9:53
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Claim Kemi Badenoch plans to scrap £100,000 free childcare cap as Tory conference opens
Badenoch faced questioning over criticism of the policy by the shadow foreign secretary, who called it unsustainable, and Jeremy Hunt, who called it unaffordable and immoral.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 9:46-9:58
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Claim Joshua Kerry charged with terrorism and Ann Widdecombe murder
Joshua Kerry, already accused of murdering Ann Widdecombe, has also been charged over alleged preparation of terrorist acts, with the charge covering late May 2024 to 8 July this year and alleging multiple acts including against Nigel Farage.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 19:46-19:53
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Claim Joshua Kerry charged with terrorism and Ann Widdecombe murder
Kemi Badenoch said an ex-IRA member had pleaded guilty to threatening to kill her and her family.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 20:00-20:12
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Claim Joshua Kerry charged with terrorism and Ann Widdecombe murder
Kemi Badenoch said threats to politicians were increasing and called for a crackdown.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 20:20-20:26
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Claim Alex Norris scraps judge-only trials as court backlog set to keep rising
Approximately 700 prisoners were released early in England and Wales because prisons are full.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 32:27-32:33
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Claim Alex Norris scraps judge-only trials as court backlog set to keep rising
The government scrapped plans to allow some criminal trials in England and Wales to be heard without a jury.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 32:58-33:05
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Claim Alex Norris scraps judge-only trials as court backlog set to keep rising
The Justice Secretary could not say how many of the approximately 700 prisoners released early had been tagged.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 35:17-35:18
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Claim Alex Norris scraps judge-only trials as court backlog set to keep rising
The Justice Secretary could not say how many of the approximately 700 prisoners released early had been tagged.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 35:17-35:18
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Claim Richard Tice defends Reform UK finance inquiry and calls Kemi Badenoch a fantasist
Richard Tice described Kemi Badenoch as a fantasist and said Reform UK intended to win her seat.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 51:02-51:03
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Claim Richard Tice defends Reform UK finance inquiry and calls Kemi Badenoch a fantasist
Richard Tice described Kemi Badenoch as a fantasist and said Reform UK intended to win her seat.
BBC One, Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, 4 October 2026, 51:07-51:09
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