Chancellor John Healey says welfare bill will fall but sets no savings timetable
Chancellor John Healey said Labour will bring the overall welfare bill down, but set a timetable only for policy changes and legislation, not for savings.
How it was covered
- BBC One carried 62% of the airtime and concentrated on clarifying whether the welfare bill will fall or just grow more slowly.
- GB News concentrated on fiscal danger, no timetable and Labour's reluctance to cut welfare.
- Channel 5, BBC News, Channel 4, ITV and Sky News: not found in tracked broadcasts.
The Full Story
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The Chancellor, John Healey, has said Labour will bring the overall welfare bill down, after confusion over whether he was promising cuts or only a slower rise. In an interview with BBC One's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, he said: "The overall bill will come down under Labour." He added: "There's nothing progressive in a bigger and bigger benefits bill."
Healey said the government had set out a timetable for changes, not for savings. He pointed to reports due this month from Alan Milburn on the million young people out of work with no training and from Stephen Timms on a personal independence payment system he called "not fit for purpose". A white paper would follow in the new year and legislation next year. He said: "We've set out the timetable for changes, we've never set out the timetable for savings".
Laura Kuenssberg put it to him that bringing the bill down would mean cuts or savings of about £100bn.
Earlier, GB News reported that Healey had initially suggested welfare spending would fall before the next general election. The Treasury then clarified that no timetable had been set. GB News also reported that welfare spending is forecast to surpass £430bn in the coming years.
A government spokesperson told GB News: "the welfare bill needs to come down and we are not setting an arbitrary target or timetable on that".
On GB News, Ross Clark, journalist and author of Britain is Bust: The Coming Sovereign Debt Crisis, warned that long-term bond yields above 6% were "a real danger point". He said there was "absolutely no route to fiscal stability which does not include deep cuts to welfare". He also said the Office for Budget Responsibility forecast welfare spending would grow by £80bn over the next five years.
In the GB News discussion, Susie Boniface said a radical financial change would in practice require a general election and a manifesto commitment because the House of Lords can block measures not in a manifesto. Connie Shaw said Labour was avoiding welfare cuts to keep support.
Key Claims
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| Claim |  |  |
|---|---|---|
| Reported by all 2 channels | ||
| The government said welfare spending must fall but did not set an arbitrary target or timetable. | ||
| Only on one channel | ||
| Ross Clark said fiscal stability would require deep cuts to welfare spending. | Not reported by BBC One | Reported by GB News |
| The Chancellor said Labour would reduce the overall benefits bill. | Not reported by GB News | |
| The government planned to publish a white paper in the new year, with legislation to follow the next year. | Not reported by GB News | |
| The Office for Budget Responsibility forecast that welfare spending would grow by £80 billion over the next five years. | Not reported by BBC One | |
| Welfare spending is forecast to surpass £430 billion in the coming years. | Not reported by BBC One | Reported by GB News |
Channel Perspectives
What each channel focused on, with key quotes.
GB News framed the issue around fiscal danger and the risk of a debt crisis. It led with the Treasury's clarification that no timetable had been set after the Chancellor suggested welfare spending would fall before the next election, then gave Ross Clark a platform to warn of bond market pressure and the need for deep cuts. The panel discussion focused on Labour's political caution and the constraints of the House of Lords.
- “the chancellor is completely in line with what the prime minister has said over the last few months that the welfare bill needs to come down and we are not setting an arbitrary target or timetable on that”
- “we are so over borrowed indebted and John Healey knows full well that there is absolutely no route to fiscal stability which does not include deep cuts to welfare”
- “our long-term bond yields are above six percent now that's considered a real danger point”
BBC One West's coverage was the Chancellor interview, focused on clarifying whether the benefits bill would fall overall or merely grow more slowly. It pressed him on the confusion with the Treasury and Downing Street, and he committed to bringing the overall bill down while setting a timetable only for policy changes and legislation. The interview also put a £100bn figure to him as the implied scale of cuts or savings.
- “100%. We will bring the benefits bill down.”
- “The overall bill must come down. There's nothing progressive in a bigger and bigger benefits bill.”
- “We've set out the timetable for changes, we've never set out the timetable for savings”
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Ross Clark, journalist and author of britain is bust the coming sovereign debt crisis
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